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and while pope benedict may be in the spotlight, pope john paul ii merchandise is the favorite among shoppers. he was certainly a favorite and on many people's minds. >> i was in rome, and the line was so long, and i didn't want to wait in line. >> amazon. >> that's true. you can order anything. >> can you get anything on that site. >>> time for an early look at what's coming up ahead and a look back. senators who disagree with the president on how to overhaul immigration will take their ideas to the top. nbc news has learned that republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham will head to the white house later today for talks on immigration. today marks the 20th anniversary of the deadly world trade center attack of 1993. six people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured when a bomb in the parking garage of the world trade complex. the bomb left a crater 60 feet wide and caused a collapse of several steel-reinforced concrete floors in the vicinity of that explosion. >>> on a much lighter note, singer michael bolton turns 60 years old today. >>> all day long you can stay on
and while pope benedict may be in the spotlight, pope john paul ii merchandise is the favorite among shoppers. he was certainly a favorite and on many people's minds. >> i was in rome, and the line was so long, and i didn't want to wait in line. >> amazon. >> that's true. you can order anything. >> can you get anything on that site. >>> time for an early look at what's coming up ahead and a look back. senators who disagree with the president on how to overhaul...
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paul ii was elected. this is a church that is very heavily in latin america. about 42% of catholics are in latin america now. they're growing as well in africa. only 25% in europe, but more than half of the cardinals who will come here to vatican city and who will announce a new pope are from europe. so, here's the big question. will there be a different kind of pope? there are candidates from latin america, some are talking about america's timothy dolan but most talk has been on cardinal from nigeria. we're still waiting to hear exactly when that conclave will take place. >> chris, you were there eight years ago when pope benedict was chosen. now there as he abdicates. chris jansing live in rome. >>> turning to weather, some connecticut residents are still digging out from this weekend's big weekend. hamden they cleared 3 feet of snow. some are upset secondary roads were not plowed but the heavy snowfall overwhelmed city work cruise. the storm is blamed for 18 deaths in the u.s. and canada. speaking of w
paul ii was elected. this is a church that is very heavily in latin america. about 42% of catholics are in latin america now. they're growing as well in africa. only 25% in europe, but more than half of the cardinals who will come here to vatican city and who will announce a new pope are from europe. so, here's the big question. will there be a different kind of pope? there are candidates from latin america, some are talking about america's timothy dolan but most talk has been on cardinal from...
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>> sort of like john paul, i have run the race. you know, you get very much the sense of that, he's run the race or carried the cross. i think the timing of the pope's decision is also interesting. now in probably new folk by the time of holy week, very symbolic he's carried the cross to where he can. he said, i'm not abandoning, but obviously, somebody else's job to pick up the cross. >> for those of us with us this morning, we are witnessing history. you see the beautiful castel gandolfo. this is the place where pope benedict xvi will spend the next few months. but he will be pope for not much longer. just a few hours until the sede vacante is under way. we want to give our thanks to father barron and greg burke and george weigel.we'll have more. '. but first this is "today" on nbc. >>> welcome back. 8:46 with an interesting new way for you to get dinner on the table. >> erica hill is here with more on that. >> hi, nice to see you. i heard about this, this is a little strange. it's a food sharing service developed out of the phil
>> sort of like john paul, i have run the race. you know, you get very much the sense of that, he's run the race or carried the cross. i think the timing of the pope's decision is also interesting. now in probably new folk by the time of holy week, very symbolic he's carried the cross to where he can. he said, i'm not abandoning, but obviously, somebody else's job to pick up the cross. >> for those of us with us this morning, we are witnessing history. you see the beautiful castel...
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neither john paul ii nor benedict were managers by nature. >> reporter: benedict's failures made public in documents leaked by his butler last year, laying out the betrayals and infighting of the vatican bureaucracy. obscuring the 30pope's message. how much of that can be blamed on the curia. >> i think most of i, quite frankly. >> reporter: george weigel says that leaves the next pope with a crucial task. >> he has to find someone who can clean house and who can make the curia an instrument of what we call the new evangelization, not an pediment tool. >> one of the those with a vote for pope is cardinal roger mahony. former archbishop of los angeles and scheduled this week as part of a sexual abuse lawsuit. he's facing a deposition about the ax cue sayses to protect accused priests and to protect the church. beare moved as archbishop in l.a. he still remains a card until in the church and that qualifies him to cast a vote. critics are calling on mahony to recuse himself of voting. >>> the man who became known around the world is the blade runner during the olympics has put his running
neither john paul ii nor benedict were managers by nature. >> reporter: benedict's failures made public in documents leaked by his butler last year, laying out the betrayals and infighting of the vatican bureaucracy. obscuring the 30pope's message. how much of that can be blamed on the curia. >> i think most of i, quite frankly. >> reporter: george weigel says that leaves the next pope with a crucial task. >> he has to find someone who can clean house and who can make...
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he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a great pope, and himself as small pope, which is also strange because he is obviously a great intellectual. but he knew he didn't have either the energy or, if you will, the pizazz of john paul ii, the media satisfy iy. but what he wad was very genuine. he is a month in love with god, and a very humble one. i noticed on the trip to the u.s., and you see the stadium filled, and john paul would enjoy those as much as an actor enjoys a big crowd, and benedict was a little bit almost embarrassed. but there was something beautiful and endear about that. >> there were missteps and miscues along th
he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a...
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he said compared to john paul ii i don't know if i'm up to this. with god's grace and mercy i'll give it my best shot. he's done well for almost eight years. a humble acknowledgement of his frailness and weakness. that touched all of our hearts. >> reporter: that's american cardinal timothy dolan appearing this morning on the "today" show. sometime in march he along with his other colleagues, the cardinals, will meet at the vatican to decide who will be the successor to pope benedict xvi who will be stepping down february 28th. reporting live here in san jose, bob redell, "today in the bay." >> all right. going to expect a lot of reaction from that one. >>> 5:02 right now. good morning one and all. thank you for joining us. i'm jon kelley. >> i'm laura garcia-cannon. we're also following developing news this morning out of southern california where the search for christopher dorner enters a new week. the former los angeles police officer continues to allude authorities, he may be getting something he wants. "today in the bay's" marla tellez joins u
he said compared to john paul ii i don't know if i'm up to this. with god's grace and mercy i'll give it my best shot. he's done well for almost eight years. a humble acknowledgement of his frailness and weakness. that touched all of our hearts. >> reporter: that's american cardinal timothy dolan appearing this morning on the "today" show. sometime in march he along with his other colleagues, the cardinals, will meet at the vatican to decide who will be the successor to pope...
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will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy and the applause by, again, members of his household and he is giving them his blessing and you see on his right hand, the fisherman's ring, it is cast for each and every pope, and when they cease to be pope, as he will at 2:00 this afternoon eastern time, and you see that traditional kissing of the ring, it will be taken and a silver hammer will be taken to it and it will be destroyed because that is also the papal seal. so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the gro
will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy...
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nobody has before him he especiy that it comes off john paul ii a man who at 85 wasn't even able to walk and neither speak really, was mumbling towards the end of his life. and pope benedict saying i just don't have it anymore. i don't have the strength anymore to bear my mission to carry on the catholic church. >> claudio, is there concern or is there some speculation that there might be more to the story than that? is there some concern that, in fact, there is some health situation we are not aware of? >> reporter: there is a concern. pope benedict xvi has always been quite weak. the vatican has always been very secretive about the health of the pope really. we don't know the extent of the health problems pope benedict xvi mate be suffering right now, but certainly or hopefully we will get to know much more during the next coming hours or days. >> and talk to me about how the process unfolds. i think a lot of us are familiar with what happens in the tragic event or unfortunate event that a pope passes away, but what would the process be like now if he has now told the world that he is
nobody has before him he especiy that it comes off john paul ii a man who at 85 wasn't even able to walk and neither speak really, was mumbling towards the end of his life. and pope benedict saying i just don't have it anymore. i don't have the strength anymore to bear my mission to carry on the catholic church. >> claudio, is there concern or is there some speculation that there might be more to the story than that? is there some concern that, in fact, there is some health situation we...
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he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new developments in the search for a rogue california cop accused of killing outside a wave >>> a 14-year-old is being charged as an adult in the murder of his seven-month-old sister. police say baby larissa was left from the care of her brother jonathan a aguilera. the teenager admitted covering her nose and her mouth in order to stop her from crying. he is due in court for a bond hearing this afternoon. >>> a $11 million reward is now being offered for help to capture a former los angeles police officer wanted for murder. christopher dorner is accused of killing three people to avenge
he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new...
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john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because that crowd was filled with enthusiasm and energy yesterday. you know, you have seen when he met with some priests here in rome about a week ago, he was supposed to deliver a speech about the second vatican -- vatican ii, he was there at the time, that happened 50 years ago. he said no, i can't do that because of my advanced age. 85 has become his excuse to be more casual if you will and he said, no, i'll sit here and chat with you. he talked with 46 minutes without a note about what went on 50 years ago. so, clearly, his mind and those who know him and those who read his writings
john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because...
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martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are several injuries in this case. the building is on lockdown. some people are still inside that building. we have a crew en route there. we'll bring you the latest information as soon as it becomes available. another day, another shooting story. the los angeles police department is offering a $1 million reward for information that would lead to the capture of a former police officer. christopher dorner accused of murdering three people in a rampage last week and included in those deaths is a police officer. here is video that shows dorner during this police training. we have not seen much of this
martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are...
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he took a lot of hits from john paul ii. i see him now calmer than ever. he showed a little emotion from sunday. not so much today. a beautiful speech. one was precisely about the weather. as mentioned before. he said we're in the middle of winter. let's thank god fort beautiful day we have. >> this was stunning in terms of timing and opened up a wrath of conspiracy theories, some saying this dossier containing allegations of corruption among some members of the church body. do you confidently say this pope's decision has to do with his health and health alone? >> i think we should take him on his word. people sell novels, millions of copies with conspiracy theories, he's repeated now on several occasions. and you see it. i watched him over the last eight years. i was very nervous as christmas, because i got a very good seat. you can tell he is slowing down. >> despite exhaustion and rigor of the job. do you think there's scandals? >> there's no doubt that the job has a lot of weight. it's not just precisely that you have to travel and you have to do this
he took a lot of hits from john paul ii. i see him now calmer than ever. he showed a little emotion from sunday. not so much today. a beautiful speech. one was precisely about the weather. as mentioned before. he said we're in the middle of winter. let's thank god fort beautiful day we have. >> this was stunning in terms of timing and opened up a wrath of conspiracy theories, some saying this dossier containing allegations of corruption among some members of the church body. do you...
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that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes at the white house. right away former white house communications director, speechwriter, don bair joining us next. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insuranc
that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on...
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paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of his life. benedict xvi, while i think certainly ahe certainly admiring john paul, thinks that's not the path that every pope takes. some of the difficulties the vatican faced in recent years. internal disarray relating to the leaked crisis. the damage imposed upon the public image of the church by the sex abuse scandals and so on, it's clear that that has taken a toll on benedict xvi, he has struggled with that personally and it may well be that the people who have seen the cumulative effect of that, that the church needs a new lease on life and a fresh
paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of...
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i want to say thank you, pope john paul ii . the reason why, as i would say thanks to your predecessor pope john paul ii. this is it a evangelical and not a catholic who appreciates the firm convictions of the catholic church and popes who decipeded that the purpose of the church is not a mere thermometer reflecting the culture of whatever the world happens to believe in the given moment, but believes that the church is to be the thermostat that can read the culture that is it prevalent in the world, but whose purpose is to adjust the temperature of the culture to what it ought to be . for that, i say thank you for faithful service to the bible, and to the traditions much gold's people. a good thing. well, scientist say that the meteor that streak would across the sky in russia on morning exploded with a force equivulent . atomic here's what the leader of russia said. those are not metorites falling, it is the americans trying out a new weapon. really? i think he must think that we have a great big bubble gum machine that we wil
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pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but right now all of that timing is being worked out. suzanne. >> all right. deb, thank you. i appreciate it. >>> the former navy s.e.a.l. who reportedly fired the shot that killed osama bin laden is said to be furious with the u.s. military. he has no pension or medical insurance, and according to an investigative piece in esquire magazine called the man who shot and killed osama bin laden, the shooter who is not named, he told a friend, this is a quote here, he says if i get killed on this next deployment. i know my family will be taken care of. but if i come back and retire, i won't hav
pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but...
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john paul ii was the pope of de television and the traveling pope. pope benedict xvi has been called the pope of the internet. the pope of the rich in word. his teachings are so simple yet profound. i would encourage people just to read what he has written himself. he has a marvelous series on jesus of nazareth three books in a 3 part series. just very simple and yet very profound. what do congress look for? i asked that of cardinal dolan yesterday. his response was weatherman knee things are kneaded, many, many things, one of the first priorities of the cardinal he believes will be to find somebody who can give the new impetus to the church and strength and vigor and preaching president gospel of jesus with happiness and with conviction. and conviction not only of his own but being able to give conventioning reasons -- convincing reasons to the world no doubt the papacy is a different office or role than it was in the past because of communication. to have a pope who can communicate with that conviction to a world i believe is starving for real reas
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he took over after the death of pope john paul ii. will turn 86 in april, so he is getting a little older. we expect a news conference will vatican in just a moments. we are waiting for more of information. they are setting the stage now conference to elect a pope before the end of march. whens just about the time world willround the easter.rating we do hope to get more information in a couple minutes breaking news story from rome.as in back to you. thank you so much. has made his mark, into social media with twitter accounts. he personally tweeted over the few months. a lot of questions with not many answers yet, but we hope to hear from the vatican. everything that's being latin and isin being translated. we will share it with you when it.et >> there's no clear successor. when pope benedict was installed pope, he was a leading contender. as of now, they don't know who be.next one will >> the vatican pledges they will work very quickly to make sure elected.a successor not surprisingly, las vegas and taking gambling the successor who
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he did offer hints that he would maybe not go the same way and perhaps after watching pope john paul ii deteriorate at the end that he would not do the same thing. >> well, chuck, let's begin with john paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith is a man of conscious. if you read the statement that he made today at the consistery he said he prayed over this and he had come to the view that he could no longer give the church the service it required and tlf as may 28th, at 8:00 p.m., the seat is to be vacated and that means that the college of cardinals should proceed to elect a new pope. as claudio said a moment ago, it is a surprise as to timing but not a surprise to fact. benedict xvith on several occasions and most recently in the book "light of the world" indicated if he ever came to the conscientious view that he couldn't give the church
he did offer hints that he would maybe not go the same way and perhaps after watching pope john paul ii deteriorate at the end that he would not do the same thing. >> well, chuck, let's begin with john paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith...
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elected in 2005, he succeeded john paul ii. there have been recent concerns about his health and he's needed help walking, but a vatican spokesperson insists he's not facing anything grave. the cardinals will elect his replacement and hope that can happen by holy week. >> they're looking for someone to preserve the court teachings of the church and be a faith in the church. >> reporter: holy watchers say there doesn't appear to be a front runner. many wonder if the time has come for a non-european leader. >> and more reaction now. an event so rare, it hasn't happened in 600 years. there is shock and appreciation for his bold move. tom fitzgerald gathered reaction from cardinals to parishioners. safe to say no one saw this coming. >> reporter: you're right. in fact, the cardinal told reporters here in washington that he recently visited the pope in rome and that the holy water gave no hint what -- father gave no hint what he was thinking about. after seven years, pope benedict xvi's relatively brief papacy, the end of which is b
elected in 2005, he succeeded john paul ii. there have been recent concerns about his health and he's needed help walking, but a vatican spokesperson insists he's not facing anything grave. the cardinals will elect his replacement and hope that can happen by holy week. >> they're looking for someone to preserve the court teachings of the church and be a faith in the church. >> reporter: holy watchers say there doesn't appear to be a front runner. many wonder if the time has come for...
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he became pope after john paul ii died, but he never seemed to enjoy it the way john paul ii did, who was an actor. benedict is a scholar, a theologian, an intellectual, and today you could see the humility that those who know him very well say have always marked this 85-year-old man. >> certainly describing himself as a pilgrim is really extraordinary, and you get the feeling that the crowd, the audiences were responding to him in an emotional way that they hadn't previously. that i guess it's the moment the history, but also the sadness. i mean, this is a very bittersweet moment. >> well, it's -- it is. that's exactly the way to describe it. you know, it's interesting in st. peters square, they had the big jumbotrons out there, and people were gathered around and were actually silent in st. peters square watching what happened, and the last time i heard that kind of silence in st. peters square it was when they announced the death of john paul ii. you never heard a cell phone go off. you never heard anybody have a cell phone conversation, and on the in st. peters square where the he
he became pope after john paul ii died, but he never seemed to enjoy it the way john paul ii did, who was an actor. benedict is a scholar, a theologian, an intellectual, and today you could see the humility that those who know him very well say have always marked this 85-year-old man. >> certainly describing himself as a pilgrim is really extraordinary, and you get the feeling that the crowd, the audiences were responding to him in an emotional way that they hadn't previously. that i...
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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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john paul ii took wonderful walks here. benedict xvi i'm told is a much, much more private man, expected to spend a long time in his rooms here. he'll be here for about two months while they restore his home at the vatican where he will eventually spend the rest of his life. guys? >> all right, becky anderson, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> here to help us walk through today is monsignor rick hi hillgartner. i wanted to walk through what is going to happen today when the pope meets with the cardinals. can you walk us through that? >> sure. >> yesterday in st. peter's square there were upwards of 50,000 people or more giving that public witness. this will be the most with his closest collaborators over the years. the pope's personal collaborators are the bishops throughout the world and in a particular way it's the cardinals standing at the heart of those, many of the cardinals of the people who workday to day in the vatican who work with the pope on a regular basis. who see him week in, week out. the
john paul ii took wonderful walks here. benedict xvi i'm told is a much, much more private man, expected to spend a long time in his rooms here. he'll be here for about two months while they restore his home at the vatican where he will eventually spend the rest of his life. guys? >> all right, becky anderson, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> here to help us walk through today is monsignor rick hi hillgartner. i wanted to walk through what is going to happen...
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6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from fulfilling his ministry, we have learned that the late pope's the person in charge of his affairs. incredibly unusualnusual. right to dan lothian at the white house. did they have a close relationship. a typical relationship that you would have between a pope and world leader? >> i think it can be described as a respectful relationship, and the two have met, on one time face to face as far as we're aware, and back in 2009, overseas to agana and moscow, met face to face for 25 minutes, talked about billions of dollars in aid to developing countries and much of their discussion, food aid and discussion centere
6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from...
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one of the things we saw extraordinarily in the final days of pope john paul and for the election of this pope, was the number of people who came to st. peter's square who said i'm atheist, i'min agnostic. i'm drawn by the history. i'm drawn by the tradition that there is a person in the world when is supposed to stand for the good things, for the power of this role. so there we see him in the popemobile making what, as we heard from ann thompson, will be two rounds. i know you've seen this before, father barron. it is a unique experience. >> it is that indeed. i always think of pope from popeye. he's the father. and you're right. i think it goes beyond the catholic church. you're looking at the most important figure in the world from a symbolic standpoint. >> george, give me your thoughts as you watch the pope make his final round in his popemobile. >> chris, i'm actually thinking about our time together here in rome eight years ago. i believe it was you who asked me how i felt seeing joseph ratzinger come out on the logia of st. peter's, who i had known at that point for some 17 ye
one of the things we saw extraordinarily in the final days of pope john paul and for the election of this pope, was the number of people who came to st. peter's square who said i'm atheist, i'min agnostic. i'm drawn by the history. i'm drawn by the tradition that there is a person in the world when is supposed to stand for the good things, for the power of this role. so there we see him in the popemobile making what, as we heard from ann thompson, will be two rounds. i know you've seen this...
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i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of things catholic in places like the united states, that is not the case in places like africa, latin, central america, central mexico. the activity has quite energized, so make a prediction that you'll see a greater voice of those communities, nigeria, brazil, mexico, because the catholic church and the conclave in particular has become more diversified over the years. don't forget john paul ii was the first known italian in 453 years, nobody ever believed that, so here we are 2013, and you might see a seismic change again. >> ray flynn, monsignor tom mcsweeny, thank you for joining me. i really appreciate it. >
i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of...
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paul. >> somewhere in a dictionary under the word evangelist is a picture of pope john paul ii. the basic diagnosis among many cardinals about benedict's papacy is he was a magnificent teaching pope but a mixed bag as a business manager. you asked where the fault lines are. first of all, you're never going to find any one guy who perfectly incarnates all these three things so which is the most important. what do we absolutely have to have and what can we settle for less than the idea. >> in terms of management and governability of the vatican and all the church's affairs, there's been financial scandals and the sex abuse scandal we have talked about for so long. a senior brazilian cardinal acknowledged of course this is going to be on the minds of the cardinals as they elect the next pope. that this business must be finished. would you say that's accurate? >> oh, absolutely. i, of course, have been talking to cardinals since this news broke. certainly i think, again, there are different ideas and different visions. but one thing that they would be almost unanimously saying is th
paul. >> somewhere in a dictionary under the word evangelist is a picture of pope john paul ii. the basic diagnosis among many cardinals about benedict's papacy is he was a magnificent teaching pope but a mixed bag as a business manager. you asked where the fault lines are. first of all, you're never going to find any one guy who perfectly incarnates all these three things so which is the most important. what do we absolutely have to have and what can we settle for less than the idea....
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it will be great to have an american pope. >> bob: i had a chance to meet john paul ii in the late '70s. for a guy who was old then, he had enormous energy. travelled around the world. the last two or three years he was stuck in the vatican because his health was deteriorating. a good modern step to take. most of the people if you look at the age of people in line, late 60s, early 70s. >> kimberly: those are the rules. >> bob: 42% of the catholics in this world are in south america. there is a strong push for latin american pope to succeed benedict. i wouldn't surprised to see it happen in this round. whether dolan has a shot or not, i don't know. relatively new cardinal. going to vatican, the politicking around these things are remarkable. two weeks to do it. a lot of politics. >> greg: sandra fluke wants a non-catholic in there. >> dana: this is defilement of the anti-catholic sentimen sentiment. there is love thrown his way as well. but i was surprised how disgusting some of the comments were against the catholic church and against the pope. >> kimberly: this is interesting because t
it will be great to have an american pope. >> bob: i had a chance to meet john paul ii in the late '70s. for a guy who was old then, he had enormous energy. travelled around the world. the last two or three years he was stuck in the vatican because his health was deteriorating. a good modern step to take. most of the people if you look at the age of people in line, late 60s, early 70s. >> kimberly: those are the rules. >> bob: 42% of the catholics in this world are in south...
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one, john paul ii was made pope at a very young age relatively speaking. and pope benedict, 85, already past the normal retirement age of a priest being elected at 78 years old. we're going to have lots of time to talk about who will be the next pope and what he's going to look like, where he's going to be coming from, what his age will be. but this is a time that is certainly an unforgettable moment in the history of the church. >>brian: it's hard to imagine a cardinal with more charisma and presence than the one we have here, cardinal dolan. do you think he's a legitimate contender? >> you know, he would respond, would my mother think so? he is such a likable, loving, good, holy man. i don't really know. but he'll be there putting his vote in to the next pope. >>steve: we just got a statement. this is what the pope said earlier today in latin. it's been translated. after having repeatedly examined my conscience before god, i have come to the certainty that my strengths due to an advantage are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the petrine minist
one, john paul ii was made pope at a very young age relatively speaking. and pope benedict, 85, already past the normal retirement age of a priest being elected at 78 years old. we're going to have lots of time to talk about who will be the next pope and what he's going to look like, where he's going to be coming from, what his age will be. but this is a time that is certainly an unforgettable moment in the history of the church. >>brian: it's hard to imagine a cardinal with more charisma...
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there was nothing like the kind of crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics but he is considered more of an intellectual and somebody who is never emotional like john paul the ii. still heartfelt by his devotees. >> all the cardinals are there. >> they are pretty much all here and they have had the time to gather because of his resignation which was announced a couple of weeks ago. the first formal meeting will happen on monday. only then will they decide what day to establish the conclaf and then they will start their secret deliberations. we are told around the 9th, 10th, 11th of march. >> all week we have been focusing on the controversy in cardinal mahoney's role in electing of the new pope. he has been stripped after thousands of pages revealed his role in shielding priests from justice. the nauseating story from 360's gary tuckman. >> reporter: the first time is when he helped bring them to the ashch diocese of los angeles. the ashch bishop of mexico city wanted him gon
there was nothing like the kind of crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics but he is considered more of an intellectual and somebody who is never emotional like john paul the ii. still heartfelt by his devotees. >> all the cardinals are there. >> they are pretty much all here and they have had the time to gather because of his resignation which was announced a couple of weeks ago. the...
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under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days ballots were burnt with wet straw to produce black smoke. if there's a pope, white smoke. the white smoke accompanied by bells. and soon, a verbal announce nmt latin, we have a pope. one of the more interesting bit of trivia is that they'll have on hand three different casts for the newly elected pope. small, medium, large. the first glimmer of who that next pope will be, we'll see when he steps out on to that balcony. george? >> we're joined on the phone by cardinal wuehrl, thank you for joining us. your first thoughts upon hearing this news. >> it was an enormous surprise. whe
under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days...